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And where are you supposed to draw the line at "truly trans"? Aren't hormone blockers fully reversible, unlike actual hormone replacement?

Tripledot Cynical Idealist. Felius said:. Tripledot said:. Imagine what it feels like to be transgender, then- an actual army of transphobes telling you that you're not the gender you identify as.

While at the same time a few but very vocal "transtrenders" attacking the legitimacy of your condition by trying to argue that dysphoria isn't needed to be trans, that gender is a choice, and more.

They are not opposing problems, they are, if anything, mutually reinforcing problems. One can be against "transtrenders" and talk about it, while at the same time also being against prejudice against actual transgenders.

Last edited: Apr 26, Antimattercarp Detaining level 5 scumbag Unknown in the medbay. Chaos Blade said:.

Alathon said:. Societies are welcome to cope with this as they see fit. Abomination Clang. Satan's Favorit said:.

Yeah, throw us that link, because if what you're saying is true then that blows this entire discussion out of the water.

I'm gonna feel like a fool for agreeing with this. So Very Sad. Here is Davis' prior article. Abomination said:. The loss of one piece of anecdotal evidence does not reduce the validity of the point.

There is a problem with how transgender people are identified based on them not conforming to gender roles. For precisely this reason, the existing medical standards of care for transgender children are tremendously conservative.

To the point where one of the major criticisms that they are conservative to the point of compromising the patient's actual best interests for to satisfy social demands that you have to be really, truly, utterly, absolutely, superduper sure to a degree that is not required for any other medical treatment in the world.

Or, for that matter, for the exact same treatment if applied to an intersex child -- there's pretty much zero oversight there. Citation needed.

There is little evidence of some profound movement to impose trans identities on people who do not conform exactly to gender stereotypes.

I'll also point something out: the "costs" of being mistaken are The person spends some time presenting as a different gender. They're not going to get surgery and hormone blockers are to all appearances largely reversible.

That's all that's going to happen. How terrible. There is a necessary conversation to have about being non-conforming while still being cisgendered, but trans identities aren't a threat to that conversation.

Littlerift said:. Rather, he's highlighting the fact that children are fairly fluid as regards sexuality and gender norms, and they're highly susceptible to influence.

Due to these behaviours, self-reporting is a poor indicator of a child's mental life which is why child psychology is such a rigorous and difficult field.

To work out whether or not a child is dysphoric requires a great deal of one-to-one work undertaken by a child psychologist, and so unless that's happened and they've concluded that the child is dysphoric it's premature to assume anything to that effect.

They just doubled it to. My understanding is that puberty blockers are also hilariously experimental at the moment as well.

FriedCFour said:. That is really not even remotely true. Someone forced to be the other gender that isn't trans would likely suffer gender disphoria, we clearly see from trans people that forcing or putting people into a gender that they do not identify with or conform to causes psychological issues.

The highest profile case of this occurring, David Reimer, backs this up completely. Quantumsheepery Rank Amateur.

They told us at school that she gravitated toward the boys, and though she is quite small for her age, and not particularly hearty, they told us she could hold her own with the rowdy bunch of them.

There are so many lesbians in my family that I fully expect either or both of my daughters to be gay though of course I will love and accept them if they turn out to be heterosexual.

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